The bazzaz zfi fuel controller piggy backs onto your stock ecu and alters the signal sent to the fuel injectors. From dynojet your only option is the pc3 usb with add ons to it. Bazzaz fuel management products are not compliant with the california environmental protection agency e. I do kinda wish i had tried the bazzaz just to see the other.
Comparing dobeck efi controllers to powercommander bazaaz. I was told today that my brocks maps cant be loaded to a pc5 by the software, but they can be manually loaded, anyone know if this is true and it will be accurate. I am interested in purchasing the log box rather than a power commander v. I have a 2007 r1 with afm module and it is awesome. Comparing dobeck efi controllers to powercommander. If you install a bazzaz, hardwire the connections with solder and seal them with liquid electrical tape. Unfortunately, i will not be able to do a proper comparison by installing the pciii or pcv. If anyone is considering the bazzaz i have one on my grom along with their o2 loop for self tuning. You must provide a fuel moto invoice number with your request this form is for map requests only, technical questions will not be answered from this form also note, if you simply need a copy of the map that we programmed into your unit, your map can be easily retrieved from your tuning device and saved with the included tuning software. Wondering if a specific thread ashould be created on pcv vs. The ability to adjust your motorcycles fuel map is vital if you have added a highflow air filter, aftermarket exhaust system or smog blockoff plates. An engines power is dependent on how well the air fuel mixture is ignited in the cylinder. Im looking into this for my 06, does it work as well as pc3.
Always interested in another product and how it works, especially setup and software capabilities. They also took my stock header so that they can build a map for. The adjustability in its fuel maps is alot more complex than the pc3 or pc5 and you will want a dyno shop that knows how to tune a bazzaz to get the benefit from that extra adjustability. When i can ride again i am going to try a little experiment. Otherwise either fuel controller will do a good job, bazzaz caters more to racers than street riders as well. Featuring a usb interface with industry recognized easy to use software, the zfi. If you want to only apply certain changes with the power commander software, you have to delete the values that you dont want, then apply all of the changes, which is a little more work. Well as i mentioned before the pc5 can not be used for your bike so dont let these guys get ya all hyped up for it. Pcv vs bazzaz vs woolich autotune kawasaki zx10r forum. Then you open the logged data in the woolich racing tuned software autotune. I was told today that my brocks maps cant be loaded to a pc5 by the software, but they can.
The pc5 out of the box only connects to the lower 4 injectors while the bazzaz does all 8 bottom and top. They log the data inside the box bazzaz dynojet and then you use the laptop after the ride to pull the data. You can run 2 maps one for economy and a more aggressive less economical map and change on the fly with the flick off a switch. Load based tuning takes into account rate, tps and rpm to construct three main zones for fuel adjustment. What is the best power commander suzuki gsxr forum. Im having so much fun tuning and feeling the differences in the powerbands. Bazzaz fuel controllers piggy back onto the engine control unit ecu, intercepting the signal sent to the fuel injectors and changing it. Set the 2nd map to all 0 and change the fuelling just with. Install was a breeze and the software is very easy to use. The pc5 is capable, but has lost much of its credibility in the track day world where i come from, due to frequent failures. Bazzaz zmapper engine management free download and. Three key differences between dobeck and dynojet products.
The bazzaz software allows you to easily highlight a certain section of cells and only make those changes, something that is very helpful. With a custom fuel map the rider can expect even greater horsepower and. Really dialed in the af and in my opinion outperformed the dyno tune that i had on it previously. Dec 10, 2009 the adjustability in its fuel maps is alot more complex than the pc3 or pc5 and you will want a dyno shop that knows how to tune a bazzaz to get the benefit from that extra adjustability. Reflashes are a solid option since you can adjust so much more than just the fuel maps, and there are no additional parts to break. If you are interested in one, great deals can be had at. Pc5 with autotune i went with the pc5 and the autotune for all 3 of my bikes, and love it. Yes this is exactly how it works, you basically install the log box, put it in data logging mode center position then ride the bike to log data. An intuitive, fun interface gets new users tuning quickly and easily. This sophisticated program is designed for tuners, who with just a laptop, can make tuning adjustments for any of the modules either at the track or on the dyno.
The zfi comes preloaded with an enhanced baseline fuel map for power gains and improved throttle response. I think youre thinking about car systems bikes are a bit different when it comes to tuning. Youll notice in the bazzaz software there are more throttle positions to tune at. Or because the system can be usb powered, tuning can be done at a pc. Most of the controllers on the market use alphan tuning because it is the easiest way to make. There is a couple other guys that on the forum who just em, im sure they will post up results also. Load and save fuel maps that are downloaded, manually edited, created on a. After a weeks time i picked up my bike back from bazzaz performance this morning with a free zfi unit and a custom map for my akra full system.
Available pc software like dynojets winpep also allows you to customize the. Very easy to use the software and gather data and apply. Why would anyone choose to use a power commander over ftecu flashing kit. Whether youre on the backroads ripping through the mud and climbing boulders or cruising down the highway at 75 mph, our power commander v can upgrade your ride. Bazzaz zafm or powercommander autotune yamaha r1 forum. These changes would be a direct result of whatever fuel map is stored in the zfi fuel controller. Bazzaz vs pc5 i will add that the bazazz products are excellent, but the advantage of going with the dynojet products is simply the greater number of riders, racers and engineers that use them.
Their software and usb connection make it easy to modify a variety of perimeters including engine braking, rpm limits. R6 faq, fuel controllers, exhaust, maps yamaha r6 forum. Also no system out there requires a laptop to log anything. Custom fuel map support fuel moto fully supports the dynojet tuning products for our customers and we are continually developing maps for new combinations. Way more options with your ecu, and openclosed loop not an issue. I went with the pc5 and the autotune for all 3 of my bikes, and love it. Access the free bazzaz zmapper software to view and easily adjust fuel maps. Personally, never heard of bazazz in all my years as harley guy. I put on pcv because i used to have it on my r6 and im already somewhat familiar with the software. The bike even impressed my buddy that has a 2007 gsxr with the kws supersport package. Understand the pros and cons of both options before deciding. Log box vs power commander v question from customer i am about to install an mjs header with yoshimura r77d on my l1 gsxr600. Each zfi is supplied by hps and comes complete with a usb cable and easy to use zfi mapper software. With tracking, tuning, and monitoring capability, this fuel tuner can easily and effectively optimize your airfuel ratio without directly changing the.
Multiple language support automatic updates improved display operating point crosshairs aligned throttle, rpm, and afr indicators colorcoded fuel adjustment cells. I am hearing that the pc5 is better than the bazzaz box. Power commander 5 vs bazzaz for 09 gsxr suzuki gsx. Nov 10, 2010 bazzaz thats why i got the bazzaz fo sho dog. I dont know about with bazzaz because im not much of a fan so i havent looked much at it at all untill this thread. Bazzaz auto fuel tuner vs pc5 auto fuel tuner kawasaki. With the bazzaz you get to map the upper and lower injectors at 500rpm 10%tps increments. Aug 21, 2012 trying to decide on which tuner to go with for my track bike. Trying to decide on which tuner to go with for my track bike. Connects to all 8 injectors, rather than 4 on the pcv and ease of switching between. Most of the controllers on the market use alphan tuning because it is the easiest way to.
Unlike dynojets software this software can run on a small windows tablet and can be used while the vehicle is in motion makes it very easy to buildtrim the fuel map. I had a good hard look at both and decided to go for the bazzaz unit for the reasons listed below. Bazzaz products are for closedcourse competition use only. I just threw a pc5 in my girlfriends r3, and i hate it already. Apr 16, 2014 power commander 5 for dummies, cause im a dummy and took quite a while to learn how this works. One other point on using the bazzaz device no matter which. Power commander 5 vs bazzaz for 09 gsxr suzuki gsxr.
Load based vs alphan tuning alphan tuning takes into account throttle position tps and rpm to construct a grid to fill in fuel values. Why do i recommend this device over the pcv the software is far easier to. Intuitive software interface for use with bazzaz fuel control, self fuel mapping, quick shift, and traction control modules. The latest version of the bazzaz zmapper software is powerful in its simplicity. Bazzaz zmapper is a powerful tuning platform program that brings you colorcoded fuel map cells to indicate leanrich fuel areas. Seems like the pcv is more popular in the uk, bazzaz is very popular in the usa.
For the money, compared to bmws race kit package, i likey. The bazzaz is what most guys i know have used with good functionality and longevity. Ok, they do the same job pretty much, but when you look a little harder at both units the bazzaz can do a lot more than the pcv. Dec 20, 2019 i just threw a pc5 in my girlfriends r3, and i hate it already.
Bazzaz is a pretty good knock off, but a lot of glitches as far as tuning. What does that all mean because the following article outlined that fuel is sprayed through a new 12 hole injector system previously 4hole into 44mm throttle bodies that employ suzukis dual throttle valve system. Power commander pc3 or the pc5 will integrate right into a dyno to give real time tuning capabilities. Anyways i was just wondering if its really worth spending the 280 on it. Also, i read that the bazzaz has the capability of managing 8 injectors and the pc5 does not, just 4 injectors. For na and supercharged applications with a software flash i suggest running the bazzaz product. The program features operating point crosshairs and mapaligned throttlerpm gauges, default traction control maps with colorcoded sensitivity map and a responsive, attractive layout with eyefriendly color scheme and layout. Bazzaz has tc, other than that the pcv does everything it does and whole bunch more control upper injectors independently of the lowers more resolution every 250rpm vs 500 more throttle position columns this can be altered at riders request fuel table per cylinder fuel table per gear fuel table based off of 05v input. The software is free to download and experiment with simply go into the simulator mode. Air fuel ratio afr is controlled by the engine control unit ecu. I have a cw and i want to put the right mapping in the bike so it runs richer and smoother no track use my options are bazzaz and power commander, bazzaz will be ready next week, i called them and they said their system has 8 sensors vs i do not remember of the pcv, also the power commander is not going to be ready yet for 23 months more something about the close loop readings and the. The scotchlok connectors bazzaz uses are from the seed of satan. So far im very happy with the smoothness of the power delivery and throttle response. The dynojet power commander v is a vital first step into the world of motorcycle fuel tuning.
Woolich ecu flash vs bazzaz vs power commander v vs. The main difference between the bazzaa and pc5 out of the box without add ons, bazzaa controls all 8 injector but changes in the mapping are in 500 rpm increments where the pc is 250 increments. Bazzaz vs pcv vs woolich ecu flash vs microsquirt v3 vs megasquirt ms3x. Anyone have experience with the bazzaz zfi and the zafm mapping kit. Intuitive software interface for use with bazzaz fuel control, self fuel mapping, quick shift, and traction control modules for motorcycles, atv, and utv. Gen3 pc5 vs juicebox vs bazzaz fi kawasaki z forum. This could be a great way to get proscons on both products. Scotchloks are guaranteed to nick a wire or two on that expensive bmw wiring harness. Zmapper software for use with bazzaz engine management systems ems.
My local tuner believes that he can do a much better job if he can control all eight injectors vs. Bazzaz vs pc5 this is a discussion about bazzaz vs pc5 within the s section, where you will 1 liter bike talk for suzuki, kawasaki, honda, yamaha. Software can be downloaded and used offline to test bazzaz interface prior to purchase. Ive ran pc3s and this is my first bazzaz install and will be test running it real soon. All you ever needed to know about bazzaz fuel management and. I was told on the pc5 you tune 4 injectors but you can tune them 250% over stock where as the bazzaz you. It can be used for turbo applications with an unauthorized modification. When you purchase a tuning product from fuel moto we will program the unit for you based on the information provided at the time of sale so it will will come to you plug and play, ready to.